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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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podcast episode number 473 for the 12th

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of November 2017 Richardson is here with

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you still in Sydney Australia still a

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little bit under the weather but getting

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there I think coming up on this week's

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show gonna kick off with an interview I

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did with Ross blood sure from oh no Ross

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and Carrie beyond Oh Ross and Carrie

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podcast I met up with Ross once again

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recently in Las Vegas at saikhan and I

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know a lot of skeptics own listeners

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enjoy the owner Ross and Carrie podcast

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and it was just terrific to see Ross

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hadn't seen him for a few years anyway

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that's to kick off this week's episode

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following that it's a and and a press

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release a news item from the Northern

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Territory government about a Northern

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Territory man who claimed to cure a

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range of medical illnesses and

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addictions through mind communication

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and the actions taken against him then

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to round off the show a grain of salt

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with Iran so gave what an interesting

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one this week folks what an interesting

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Iran chats to Jessica Cobb and Elizabeth

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Fiat about what it was like or what it

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is like to be a former spiritual speaker

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crystal Child New Age guru now Jessica

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was all these things and she was fated

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around the world and she had lots of

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followers and then she realized that

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well then it wasn't all that it was

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cracked up to be Jessica Ann Elizabeth

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chat to Iran about the process and the

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documentary films associated I think

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you'll find this interview particularly

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fascinating and don't forget to look at

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the accompanying show notes for this

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week for extra information about well

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all this segments on this week's show

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listener Jay frost reminds me that he's

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been working on a page over at a device

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watch.org device watchdog

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about the rife machines yeah I sort of

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remember those it says he is spooky too

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is an array of devices based on the

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theories of Royal Raymond rife

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an American inventor these are sort of

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machines that supposedly could diagnose

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or treat or something the body complete

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quackery but device watch and I'm just

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clicking over there at the moment is

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certainly worth a visit

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sort of like quack watch links in the

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show notes now what a busy week what a

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busy week coming up pilots see let's

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start on Tuesday here in Sydney bunga

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bunga live with Tim Ferguson and May

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night at the Herald Park hotel you can

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still get tickets that's at Manor

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dot-com today you you can give those

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tickets or just turn up on the night The

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Herald Park Hotel this Tuesday night

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here in Sydney I just near gleba tickets

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are only 15 dollars what a bargain and

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Monday night at the Blue Mountains in

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the Blue Mountains here just near Sydney

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at the Grand View Hotel which is a hotel

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in Wentworth Falls

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it's the inaugural get-together for the

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Blue Mountain skeptics group I guess

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this is a very new group and it's a

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meetup group it says this will be an

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informal meeting for people to get to

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know each other and make plans for

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future of the group the meeting will be

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in the small lounge off the main bar at

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the Grand View so I'm looking at them

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going up there tomorrow night Monday

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night to be part of that if you want

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more information just go to meetup.com

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data-use slash Aust

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skeptics and you should find some

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information there again a link in the

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show notes well that's enough for me at

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the moment I'm going to run downstairs

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and have some ginger tea ginger tea is

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quite nice quite like ginger tea it

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helps calm calm the nerves a little bit

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I guess and that tastes quite good it's

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good a lot day or a cold day ginger tea

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I should buy shares in the company

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is there a company while I do that I

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hope you enjoy the skeptic zone

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oh no Ross but not carry this time hello

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I'm very well good to beat her and

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always great to see you Richard yeah my

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favorite skeptics from down under

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thank you one of my favorite skeptics

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period very nice of you to say so I

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enjoyed your talk very much for the

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significant audience who weren't here

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its psyche on what was the the flavor of

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your talk so I called it planting seeds

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not flags and the well we talked I

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talked about the podcast and what we do

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investigating claims of the paranormal

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religion all of the first-hand

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hands-on investigations that we do but

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then I talked about how we we've kind of

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learned to exercise the muscle of

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absorbing the things people say that can

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sometimes get a mean reaction from

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skeptics or a negative reaction and and

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to just give that extra moment of

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reflection before returning back and

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then that can often if you do that you

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know that can help you be kinder and

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that can help you be more sympathetic

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and maybe build a friendship that will

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pay off in the long run and that's what

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I was encouraging everyone to exercise

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that skill and also during the course of

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your presentation you share little

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videos and photographs of some of your

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own Oh Ross and Carrie adventures along

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the way how long has it been now since

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she kicked off that podcast I'm about

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six and a half years and I know you

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talked to me on the show about six years

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ago I think yes yeah a long time ago and

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you can listen to the very time I

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interviewed Ross and Carrie I met you at

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an u2 and you said you didn't this

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podcast I said right and we ran straight

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up to your room I think it was yeah you

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guys sat on the bed nine two viewed you

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there on the spot because I thought

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yeah and you're still doing it

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listening to a ton of podcasts and still

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do and thinking what can I contribute to

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this and

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add to the mix of skeptical podcast it's

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tough work to is you know well keeping

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it going especially weekly we now do

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weekly investigations which is even

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harder yeah so yeah it's been a labor of

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love but it's the kind of thing we enjoy

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doing so we really love that we have so

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much support and that we can make this

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our job or side job is there going to be

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there's so much material you've got so

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much material honestly all these

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investigations and perspectives and

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investigations we've done to make a list

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of it in the realize Wow we've really

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covered a lot because when I try to

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remember it off the top of my head my

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brain can't coalesce all of the dozens

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of things we've looked into over the

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years but then when I saw it all on

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paper there and it didn't fit on one

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me and all these years I've been there

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must be some particular standouts right

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things that are still in your head now

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first investigators I think when we

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talked to you we had already spent time

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with the Mormon Church and it was a very

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early one very early yeah like third

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fourth episode something like that but

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they made such an impression on us

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because they matched our own enthusiasm

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I think like no one else has and so that

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kind of what we've done

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forward and then Scientology of course

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not only in terms of ours it was many

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hours of content but I think a lot of

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people found us that way

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and and you know Scientology everyone is

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so fascinated with I think just because

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it does cult you know like more in a

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more extreme fashion than any anybody

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else and I use the word cult advisedly

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and they are a cult

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no question about it so we found out

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they were every bit as dangerous and

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dilatory us as as you would assume but

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at the same time incredibly boring I was

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talking about that we saw the photograph

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photograph of you and Kari bored out of

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your heads and bored out of our gourds

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so yeah indeed that was just from one

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piece of our investigation one episode

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was about Dianetics we took a Dianetics

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course and it was over two days a

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Saturday and Sunday 22 hours inside the

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Church of Scientology and I had to I had

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to not fight my way out but I had to

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really like kind of push and run out he

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just on the second day because they

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wanted to send me off to another thing

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they find endless ways to keep you

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to keep you there its boredom a large

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part of the things you investigate or is

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it because the other people who are

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there are more engaged in your your

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brain struggling it's very rare that I

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will get to a point where I am

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personally like bored and I want out of

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the situations I think I have a higher

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threshold than other people do but

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Scientology was one of them I remember

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sitting in a it wasn't even that

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Dianetics course it was like an auditing

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session where I just thought oh get me

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out of this there's there's no way as

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they say in Scientology the only way out

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is through and that was the only way out

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yes meaning you can't quit on this

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process you have to go right through

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exactly and I remember being filled with

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this dismay like oh I am stuck here and

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we have a brief mention to the fact that

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the skeptic zone has been playing owner

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Ross and carry promotions for quite a

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while now and I love that the the one

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the more recent one we've got that

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wonderful voiceover guy

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share his name but he was somebody who

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many years featured in many of their

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videos and yeah he did a promo for us

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which is amazing I'll play that program

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folks I'll play immediately after this

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interview so in the looking ahead the

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next years are you doing it with a an

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eye to keep doing it for years or are

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you just doing it as you do it Carrie

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and I both have so much fun doing this

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and in our friendship I think is so yeah

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we're in sync on wanting to keep doing

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it until we're old and gray so yeah I

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that we share and we add new ideas and

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10 15 a day 20 a day I don't know what

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it is but oh you know we try our best to

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this list if if we don't already have

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them but it's an amazing collection now

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of different belief systems and

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are supposed to help you lose weight or

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you know idea is you and Kelly do them

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so the listeners don't have to they

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could listen to your adventures right

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right so a lot of people will send us

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something that you know maybe their

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coworker was telling them about saying

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hey can you do this so I don't have to

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and and so we have years worth of

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material even if we just kept doing you

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know what we're doing now what we have

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on our list already yeah yeah yeah and

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the list is extensive

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yeah and it's always ongoing so we

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always have maybe three or four things

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that we're working

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we have to have been working on them for

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especially long-term ones so for example

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part three in a course that we've now

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been taking for two years and it's a

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long story but we haven't released any

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of it yet because we're waiting until we

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do the fourth part of this class that's

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that's crazy over years yeah we're just

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holding under we recorded the third

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portion we couldn't even remember the

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fake names we had created we'd go back

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to listen so we just said well here's

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their names now and maybe they'll end up

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being the same and finally I do it my

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your adoption of Technology because some

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of the video you shoot is actually 360

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isn't it yeah what's that what's that is

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that paying off is that a worthwhile

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thing but you know we don't do that

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regularly we should actually I wish

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video was a bigger component of what we

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do and we'll we'll shoot things on our

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phones a lot it's just you know video

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production takes so long yeah and so we

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did the 360 video in particular for a

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cancer clinic tour that we went to in

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Tijuana Mexico

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so we boarded this bus they drove us

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down there and they were okay with

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everybody filming and which is rare in

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our investigations usually we don't get

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to film and so I had this Rico theta s

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that's the name of it it's a very

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affordable you know kind of entry-level

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360-degree camera so it you hold it up

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hold it in front of you yeah and it's

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it's filming your hand it's filming you

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it's filming the ceiling it's filming

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all around you all at once

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and so what I then did was I used that

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as an experiment to try to edit in 360

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and cut together scenes little vignettes

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of every location we visited so people

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could step into our shoes see I hope to

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do that in the future it was something

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that I've not seen too much of and it

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worked very well because you can spin

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the video around yourself to see what

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you want to look at right yeah yeah it

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kind of puts you there and I'm a big fan

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of VR and I have a HTC vive at home and

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the playstation vr my son and i both

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compete against each other in VR games

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so yeah always always trying out new

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technology well rush please give our

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best to carry when you see it and we'll

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do thank you everybody here was looking

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forward to meeting her but you know

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things come up and people can't always

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me indeed Randy couldn't be here yeah as

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we know which is a great shame but I I

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understand he's feeling somewhat better

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but give her our best and we'll do

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congratulate to her and you wonderful

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podcast many years of success thank you

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so much Richard and to all our friends

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at the skeptics out from the dawn of

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time one podcast has unlocked the

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secrets of science and technology to

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enrich the lives of billions and now

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after a year where they've unlocked the

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golden age of knowledge they're about to

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hit warp speed and go stratospheric hold

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on oh no Ross and Carrie

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we don't make extraordinary claims we

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investigate them we go undercover with

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fringe religious groups investigate

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paranormal claims and we participate in

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pseudo scientific medical treatments and

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then report our findings to you and yes

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we've even investigated

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new episodes every month at maximum fun

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org oh no Ross and Carrie they show up

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so you don't have to now a story that

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comes to us from Michelle Franklin in

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the Northern Territory you may remember

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in the past was spoken to Michelle about

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things like me Humpty do poltergeist and

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now she's sending us a media release

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from the Northern Territory Consumer

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Affairs dated the 8th of November 2017

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media release so-called healer Colin

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Thompson

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permanently banned

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a former Howard Springs man who claimed

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to cure a range of medical illnesses and

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addictions through mind communication

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and supernatural healing has been

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permanently banned from conducting his

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business in the Northern Territory

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following action by Northern Territory

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Consumer Affairs Colin Thompson trading

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as esoteric mind specialist was also

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restrained from making any

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representations that he has the ability

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to cure addiction or medical conditions

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through mind communication or

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supernatural healing for a period of

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five years in July 2015 Consumer Affairs

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Commissioner and Gary Clements issued a

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public warning to Territory ins not to

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deal with mr. Thompson who could not

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substantiate the efficacy of his

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treatment which he described as

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miraculous and supernatural mr. Clemmons

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said quote consumer protection laws

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require that any claim made by a

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business when they market their products

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and services are accurate truthful and

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can be proven end quote

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as an aside Wow order or yes or can of

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worms or most of the claims of

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alternative medicine we continue as a

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result of local court proceedings mr.

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Thompson also deregistered his business

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name and business bank account Consumer

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Affairs had earlier taken steps to shut

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down his websites where he promoted such

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claims as quote general practitioners

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specialists and surgeons can't cure

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anything for anyone end quote and quote

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there is nothing in the physical world

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to take away the cause of an ailment

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permanently end quote mr. Clemmons said

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quote as a regulator our concern is to

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protect the vulnerable people seeking

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relief from serious medical conditions

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or addictions particularly in the area

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of health services where there is a risk

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that people could stop conventional

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treatments businesses must ensure that

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claims about their therapies are

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supported by credible and reliable

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results they must not make

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false claims about the quality history

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benefits performance or origin of a

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product or service end quote

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and that media release comes to us from

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the Northern Territory consumer affairs

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based in Darwin for more information see

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this week's show notes or visit

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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he's around ticket hi my name is Jessica

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Schwab I am a former crystal child

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spiritual leader healer and I'm going to

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be talking about my changes that changes

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as in going for moving away from yes to

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becoming a skeptic yeah and I'm

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Elizabeth fakie and I'm a producer film

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documentary film producer and I'm

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producing a film about Jessica's story

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so which is called which is called

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memoirs or the former mystic and I think

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that kind of tells us quite a lot it

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does so Jessica can you maybe I'm we

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obviously don't want to give away the

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whole movie but maybe he could give us a

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bit of a an outline of the story what

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when did you start being in the mystical

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world and what happened oh my gosh so I

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pretty much had a father that was very

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involved after having strokes in the

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mystical world and he felt that he was

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channeling angels and aliens and things

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like this and that they were telling him

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about me and my mission I'm very

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important I'm here to help save the

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world and create help bring

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enlightenment and stuff like this and

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that was very uncomfortable with it but

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it was always actually fighting him with

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it so how old were you I was actually

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started with my my sister died at age 16

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yeah and you were I was 16 and in my in

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my sister was 19 and yeah and so it was

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very much upset with this because he was

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not comfortable with this I was actually

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quite shy and so and it was fighting my

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father all the time and then he passes

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the way he dies and and I'm 21 and I

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start to feel very very guilty and maybe

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my dad my dad was just trying to help

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and maybe there is something because

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people were encouraging me also

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my dad was saying and so it ended up

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opening like I just felt that I had to

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make things right with my dad so I

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started to talk about the things that my

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dad was talking about and this got a lot

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of interest from a lot of people and

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actually I was invited to go to

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Australia to the Nexus Congress where I

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ended up meeting Project Camelot and

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there were a lot of people there that

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were telling project haven't you have to

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interview this girl you have to

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interview this girl and from that

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interview I ended up becoming quite

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well-known overnight as this mystic

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crystal child and there are so many

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factors I caught me started I'm trying

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to I want to keep it short because I

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mean I wrote lots of lots of vlogs about

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how it all started but I really just

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thought I was helping that's what it

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comes down to and slowly slowly the

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doubt started to creep in I mean I

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started to realize that these beliefs

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could actually be quite dangerous for my

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mind was there a trigger for that there

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were a couple triggers there's one that

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is in the trailer that I don't know if

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I'm allowed to say if I should know I'm

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not allowed to another one was going to

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Bali I was going there to do a spiritual

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workshop and Diego funkin Eve who was

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00:23:43,540 --> 00:23:40,730
giving a speech about skepticism as a

548
00:23:46,210 --> 00:23:43,550
mean I met him there and he got me to

549
00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:46,220
really think about what I was doing and

550
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,220
if it was actually true and that was

551
00:23:54,430 --> 00:23:51,440
very very hard because I had a following

552
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,440
I had support I had was travelling and

553
00:24:00,640 --> 00:23:56,240
flying all over the world you know speak

554
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:00,650
and heal and so to suddenly think about

555
00:24:04,930 --> 00:24:03,740
myself without these beliefs to suddenly

556
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:04,940
think that this isn't true

557
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:07,910
you know was a very substantial crisis

558
00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:10,850
for me because I didn't know what to

559
00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:12,230
think what to do how do you think

560
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:14,500
outside the beliefs they become very

561
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:16,970
like a virus they start to really

562
00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:18,410
compromise all your thinking and

563
00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:20,150
everything you see is through the

564
00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:22,340
spiritual filter and then when you start

565
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:24,440
to question it it starts to fight back

566
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:28,870
and so I am Diego really helped me

567
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:31,760
continue on to push through this and we

568
00:24:36,489 --> 00:24:33,890
have a project where we help people now

569
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:36,499
deal with

570
00:24:42,259 --> 00:24:40,320
overcoming spiritual New Age beliefs and

571
00:24:44,509 --> 00:24:42,269
the conditioning and even the

572
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,519
exploitation and how it can make

573
00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:46,679
people's minds quite fragile and

574
00:24:51,739 --> 00:24:50,070
gullible and I was in Bali I noticed

575
00:24:53,749 --> 00:24:51,749
that because I met Diego around the time

576
00:25:01,089 --> 00:24:53,759
of 2012 right at the end of the world

577
00:25:07,849 --> 00:25:01,099
remember that so one of them so many and

578
00:25:09,529 --> 00:25:07,859
there was one this week and yes it was

579
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:09,539
really horrible because a lot of people

580
00:25:14,509 --> 00:25:12,809
Australians were there and Americans and

581
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,519
they were doing all these spiritual

582
00:25:18,739 --> 00:25:16,799
workshops all the things that I at one

583
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,749
point was promoting and these people

584
00:25:22,219 --> 00:25:20,580
actually ended up in mental institution

585
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:22,229
shortly after trying doing all these

586
00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:25,289
activations and spending large amounts

587
00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:28,679
of money and I was very disturbing to

588
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:31,080
realize that okay not only am I not

589
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:33,299
helping I'm creating some serious damage

590
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:37,529
and so in my trailer I proposed a

591
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:39,690
question or a series of multiple choice

592
00:25:45,019 --> 00:25:42,960
if you are in my situation and you find

593
00:25:46,339 --> 00:25:45,029
out you know you're being worshipped and

594
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:46,349
you want to now tell your followers

595
00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:48,570
really you know what's going on and that

596
00:25:52,459 --> 00:25:49,830
they're not really seeing you for who

597
00:25:55,339 --> 00:25:52,469
you actually are but an idea of you what

598
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:55,349
would you do right so I can't give that

599
00:25:58,299 --> 00:25:56,279
away either because that's in the

600
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,309
trailer but so there's a series of

601
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:00,960
multiple choice questions and they I

602
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:06,089
chose one where I ended up finding them

603
00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:08,070
all of my followers and people who loved

604
00:26:14,479 --> 00:26:11,820
me and supported me called me evil said

605
00:26:17,749 --> 00:26:14,489
it was brainwashed by Diego I was a liar

606
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:17,759
a traitor and just overnight it just

607
00:26:23,529 --> 00:26:19,529
became you know they just turned on you

608
00:26:26,539 --> 00:26:23,539
and it was very fascinating to see how

609
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:26,549
shallow we can be well you know when I

610
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:28,289
only like you only if you believe what I

611
00:26:33,229 --> 00:26:30,599
believe I mean we see this in religion

612
00:26:35,299 --> 00:26:33,239
too all the time you know I bill so yeah

613
00:26:37,570 --> 00:26:35,309
I can go on and on so Andy let me know

614
00:26:40,249 --> 00:26:37,580
what you want me to stop it's super long

615
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:40,259
so Elizabeth how did you become involved

616
00:26:43,609 --> 00:26:42,299
in this how did you find out about the

617
00:26:46,109 --> 00:26:43,619
story and what made you interesting yeah

618
00:26:50,249 --> 00:26:46,119
well I had a very special interest

619
00:26:51,899 --> 00:26:50,259
towards New Age beliefs so I had to

620
00:26:54,389 --> 00:26:51,909
years ago I was doing a research on the

621
00:26:57,209 --> 00:26:54,399
internet and I found out about Jessica I

622
00:26:58,709 --> 00:26:57,219
didn't know her but I stumble upon her

623
00:27:02,069 --> 00:26:58,719
videos because she's all over the

624
00:27:03,749 --> 00:27:02,079
internet and I saw the interviews at the

625
00:27:06,539 --> 00:27:03,759
time when she was talking and saying yes

626
00:27:08,489 --> 00:27:06,549
I'm a crystal child I'm here to you know

627
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:08,499
save the planet will be with love and

628
00:27:17,699 --> 00:27:15,089
consciousness pre-historical yeah before

629
00:27:20,099 --> 00:27:17,709
before you moved away from from this

630
00:27:22,469 --> 00:27:20,109
world these videos I was watching were

631
00:27:24,959 --> 00:27:22,479
from her past the videos from the past

632
00:27:26,969 --> 00:27:24,969
and so I got intrigued so I looked at

633
00:27:29,339 --> 00:27:26,979
more interviews and more videos of her

634
00:27:31,379 --> 00:27:29,349
two years ago and then I saw that she

635
00:27:33,889 --> 00:27:31,389
had shifted she had gone from being a

636
00:27:36,539 --> 00:27:33,899
crystal child from the New Age movement

637
00:27:38,339 --> 00:27:36,549
skeptic and so I thought okay she's

638
00:27:40,469 --> 00:27:38,349
really really interesting and she had

639
00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:40,479
this charisma and very friendly way of

640
00:27:45,809 --> 00:27:43,539
of exposing because sometimes you know

641
00:27:48,449 --> 00:27:45,819
people are very serious is boring and

642
00:27:51,959 --> 00:27:48,459
and she had this way of triggering you

643
00:27:53,999 --> 00:27:51,969
know attention and and interest in these

644
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:54,009
questions because sometimes skepticism

645
00:28:00,509 --> 00:27:56,409
is seen as something you know well why

646
00:28:02,099 --> 00:28:00,519
would I spend time and an effort to do

647
00:28:03,659 --> 00:28:02,109
this it's not very glamorous dreaming

648
00:28:06,689 --> 00:28:03,669
that the family members of pretty much

649
00:28:09,659 --> 00:28:06,699
everybody in this room during this

650
00:28:13,489 --> 00:28:09,669
conference would agree so she had this

651
00:28:16,049 --> 00:28:13,499
way of conveying this new this new

652
00:28:19,289 --> 00:28:16,059
mental state she was in which was a

653
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:19,299
skeptic : that made me think okay I'd

654
00:28:23,849 --> 00:28:21,129
really like to speak to her I wouldn't

655
00:28:26,459 --> 00:28:23,859
so actually I contacted her on the

656
00:28:30,179 --> 00:28:26,469
internet but I I lived in France at that

657
00:28:32,849 --> 00:28:30,189
moment and I ended up actually going to

658
00:28:36,959 --> 00:28:32,859
Portugal to meet her and Diego because

659
00:28:39,629 --> 00:28:36,969
they live together so and then I I

660
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,639
really understood that she was actually

661
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:42,399
exposing and working on a daily basis

662
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:45,609
with other you know new agey people who

663
00:28:49,649 --> 00:28:48,129
want to get out of it and so difficult

664
00:28:52,679 --> 00:28:49,659
because it's a whole conditioning and

665
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:52,689
it's not just actually the new ways you

666
00:28:57,059 --> 00:28:55,089
beliefs there are roots behind that it's

667
00:28:59,760 --> 00:28:57,069
just like someone who says oh I want to

668
00:29:01,470 --> 00:28:59,770
quit I'm an alcoholic I want to quit

669
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:01,480
but how do you do it if you don't

670
00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:03,490
understand what's behind it's not just

671
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,070
alcohol it's it's a lot of many many

672
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:07,840
things behind that you have to

673
00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:09,490
understand if you don't understand and

674
00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:11,680
you quit alcohol you might but then you

675
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:12,820
will turn to something else to

676
00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:14,530
compensate because there's a problem at

677
00:29:19,170 --> 00:29:17,380
the root of it so I would like to turn

678
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:19,180
to Jessica for a moment altitudes

679
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,870
actually refer to - exactly that you

680
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:24,640
know people find it very difficult to

681
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:27,130
let go of things that are not do not

682
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:29,110
affect their livelihood do not affect

683
00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:31,090
their entire relationship with the world

684
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:33,550
around them just simply you know alcohol

685
00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:36,730
or cigarettes or whatever the shift that

686
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:39,190
you had to make was significantly bigger

687
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:42,640
in in terms of it's not just the

688
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:44,530
philosophical or psychological one but

689
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,490
in real everyday implications I presumed

690
00:29:56,010 --> 00:29:50,080
that you've had some livelihoods based

691
00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:56,020
on your previous life income had

692
00:30:00,030 --> 00:29:57,640
donations I lived off of donations

693
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:00,040
because we grew up very poor as a family

694
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:03,610
and five kids and my mother was very

695
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,290
sick and nobody would help us because we

696
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:07,360
didn't have any money so I was like if I

697
00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:08,890
ever got a chance I'm gonna help freely

698
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:10,660
unconditionally you know cuz that's what

699
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:12,490
we're meant to be like trees and so I

700
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:14,770
would always refuse donations or refuse

701
00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:16,210
to do it for money I wanted to be an

702
00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:18,070
example and show how the universe really

703
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,750
worked how we were really meant to be on

704
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:22,000
and that just ended up people were like

705
00:30:25,050 --> 00:30:23,410
I want to really support you can you

706
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:25,060
just please put up a donation button and

707
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:27,340
I actually could have made a lot more

708
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:28,930
money because if I was business savvy

709
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,640
and I not at all like so it's a it is

710
00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:39,520
what it is but I it's amazing how many

711
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:41,080
people like Pete this is a billion

712
00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:44,110
dollar industry you know it's a so but

713
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:45,700
but you still had some income coming

714
00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:51,730
from it also after I changed I had my

715
00:30:57,390 --> 00:30:54,100
expenses covered basically and to travel

716
00:30:59,310 --> 00:30:57,400
and to every time I was saying I'm going

717
00:31:00,960 --> 00:30:59,320
to this or that country they would let

718
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:00,970
me stay with them for free cover all my

719
00:31:04,770 --> 00:31:03,310
expenses you know I was like consider

720
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:04,780
it's like royalty or something of an

721
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:06,130
angel have to look after like are

722
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:08,350
traveling for something like this yeah

723
00:31:12,269 --> 00:31:10,809
my expectation was you know like the big

724
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:12,279
traveling girls exactly like you say so

725
00:31:19,259 --> 00:31:15,970
I was expecting that you had to put

726
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:19,269
behind a financial side as well but I'm

727
00:31:25,649 --> 00:31:24,129
presuming all the money you had was

728
00:31:26,369 --> 00:31:25,659
coming from donations and you didn't

729
00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:26,379
have a job

730
00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:30,340
you just had this job it was just enough

731
00:31:34,739 --> 00:31:31,990
to get by though it wasn't like I was

732
00:31:38,509 --> 00:31:34,749
making Lots I could have died yeah so

733
00:31:41,639 --> 00:31:38,519
I'm just thinking a bit about it there's

734
00:31:43,769 --> 00:31:41,649
you know ministers of religion who lose

735
00:31:45,810 --> 00:31:43,779
their faith it's something that's that's

736
00:31:47,129 --> 00:31:45,820
happened it probably happens a lot more

737
00:31:49,019 --> 00:31:47,139
often than we hear about but there's

738
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:49,029
also quite a few known cases that we

739
00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:51,070
hear about and one of the things that

740
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:53,080
happens is that it's festive they lose

741
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:56,049
their faith so they lose God which was a

742
00:31:59,879 --> 00:31:57,970
very prominent figure in their lives

743
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,889
but in real or fictitious doesn't matter

744
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:01,840
it's very important and real in their

745
00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:05,950
lives very true and then if it's

746
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:07,720
actually their profession in their

747
00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:09,730
community and moving away from that and

748
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,740
is is very difficult because you lose

749
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:13,840
your livelihood you lose your community

750
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:16,090
sometimes you lose your family and all

751
00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:18,970
of these things together are so

752
00:32:23,879 --> 00:32:21,820
difficult that there are people that is

753
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:23,889
actually online forums for ministers of

754
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:24,850
religion where they don't identify

755
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:27,100
themselves but they're they're atheists

756
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:28,570
on the inside basically live double

757
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:34,240
lives it requires some mental strength

758
00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:37,929
and determination to actually make that

759
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:43,230
shift so what do you think gave you that

760
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:45,940
strength and determination I have a

761
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:47,710
strong sense of responsibility and

762
00:32:51,629 --> 00:32:49,570
really wanting to do what's right really

763
00:32:54,019 --> 00:32:51,639
wanting to help and to be tempted to

764
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,029
sell out did all these kind of things

765
00:32:58,799 --> 00:32:56,559
sure it might be profitable in the

766
00:33:00,509 --> 00:32:58,809
beginning but what you were selling out

767
00:33:02,669 --> 00:33:00,519
all the humanity - were selling out our

768
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:02,679
chance for our psyche or psyche to

769
00:33:06,299 --> 00:33:04,659
evolve you know so I thought oh I'm

770
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,309
bringing the world the truth you know

771
00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:07,840
all this hidden information that they

772
00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:09,429
don't want us to know so that we can

773
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:12,460
have our infinite potential and so I

774
00:33:15,989 --> 00:33:14,409
always just really wanted to be honest

775
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:15,999
with myself and I knew sometimes I was

776
00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:17,710
afraid to be honest for what it would

777
00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:20,740
mean or afraid to question my dad

778
00:33:26,490 --> 00:33:23,020
because if I if I did you know he's

779
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:26,500
and I'm then like feeling like I'm

780
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:28,090
betraying him as well right because I

781
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:29,830
want to be a good daughter I was very

782
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:32,050
motivated by goodness and this is a

783
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:33,820
religious thinking a religious mindset

784
00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:36,850
and for me I just it was I couldn't live

785
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:38,800
with myself knowing what I knew now

786
00:33:43,530 --> 00:33:41,770
about or I'm sorry what I thought when I

787
00:33:46,290 --> 00:33:43,540
started to really doubt and started to

788
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:46,300
see more and more of the the

789
00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:49,270
conditioning and and the the mental

790
00:33:54,810 --> 00:33:51,460
instability this movement was spreading

791
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:54,820
and the abuse as well I found that my

792
00:33:59,610 --> 00:33:56,410
beliefs also led me to an abusive

793
00:34:02,580 --> 00:33:59,620
relationship and they held me in it -

794
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:02,590
because your soul chose this your you

795
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:04,210
have to heal his heart with

796
00:34:08,370 --> 00:34:06,370
unconditional love and he will change it

797
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:08,380
was horrible because all that it would

798
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:10,030
just encourage him to treat you still

799
00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:13,240
horribly right and and so I just watch

800
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:16,300
this these beliefs encourage narcissism

801
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:18,580
encourage abuse encourage Stockholm

802
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:20,649
Syndrome and so the more I realized

803
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:23,050
everybody else was like thinking the

804
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:25,030
same way and paying lots for these

805
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:27,190
workshops to become this to have some

806
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:28,990
sort of this was done the idea of the

807
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:31,780
secret it was I couldn't live with

808
00:34:37,470 --> 00:34:34,560
myself yeah I could not stay silent

809
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:37,480
Elizabeth you you've now you know no

810
00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:39,730
Jessica very well how long have you been

811
00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:43,300
working together I would say we've known

812
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:45,100
each other for two years now and we've

813
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:47,649
been working specifically on her film

814
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,929
for a few months but we also worked on

815
00:34:53,370 --> 00:34:51,520
Diego's film together because we are

816
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:53,380
co-authors of dugu fronting Eva's film

817
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:55,270
all is not well the things that

818
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,880
Jessica's us described the processes

819
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,920
that she has gone through as an external

820
00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:02,320
observer who now knows how well how do

821
00:35:07,050 --> 00:35:04,600
you see it what what's your perspective

822
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:07,060
on it to me this is a very outstanding

823
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:10,480
and unique story and for a producer

824
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:14,800
obviously it's gold but on a personal

825
00:35:21,630 --> 00:35:19,210
level I'm very admirably cuz obviously

826
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,640
you know nobody does this she was really

827
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:23,920
on the stage she was someone who was

828
00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:25,990
well-known and more than well-known and

829
00:35:32,730 --> 00:35:29,800
when she turned her back to this belief

830
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,740
she had a kind of storm um against her

831
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:35,040
but she did it and your question is

832
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:38,250
is you know is is is a very important

833
00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:40,140
question because why would she do this

834
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,430
and and she has a lot of strength and

835
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:47,040
determination she there's not even a

836
00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:48,930
question for her to go back to this or

837
00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:51,390
to it's just obvious to her and that's

838
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,390
so so incredible because most gurus what

839
00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:56,400
do they do they just love the attention

840
00:35:59,600 --> 00:35:57,870
the consensus and the money and

841
00:36:01,640 --> 00:35:59,610
everything we can get from this they

842
00:36:05,570 --> 00:36:01,650
travel around the world and that's what

843
00:36:10,510 --> 00:36:05,580
she was doing too so I'm very you know I

844
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:10,520
think you know she has this strength and

845
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:13,260
personal quality that led her to make

846
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,500
this very unique choice and I love being

847
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:18,480
part of this you know being able to

848
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:20,250
share and educate people about this

849
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:23,490
because I think it actually can make us

850
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:26,040
all think about our own beliefs and how

851
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:29,220
difficult it is but we have to face them

852
00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:32,040
and it's not just religious beliefs it's

853
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,230
many other beliefs we have in our lives

854
00:36:39,590 --> 00:36:36,480
we don't really want to notice or

855
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:39,600
becomes yourself that leaders do stupid

856
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,300
stuff to stupid reactions to stupid

857
00:36:47,090 --> 00:36:44,520
decisions and it's not because we're

858
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:47,100
skeptics that we have better lives than

859
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,740
then people who are believers you know

860
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:52,140
you know there's a question that I like

861
00:36:59,300 --> 00:36:55,560
to ask skeptics and the range of answers

862
00:37:01,160 --> 00:36:59,310
is surprising but the most common answer

863
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:01,170
is just being stumped and not knowing

864
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:05,700
what to say that is what major thing in

865
00:37:10,610 --> 00:37:07,370
your life that you used to believe

866
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:10,620
you've changed your view on so you used

867
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,900
to have a certain point of view but

868
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:14,400
you've learned more you've become more

869
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:16,380
educated maybe new evidence came to

870
00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:17,940
light maybe things have changed and you

871
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:22,350
have changed your opinion and for most

872
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:26,220
people the answer is either they

873
00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:28,650
complete on the con they can't say they

874
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,390
can't name one thing that they've

875
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,700
changed their opinion on and I will talk

876
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,560
about good skeptics who really think

877
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:35,760
critically about the world and all of

878
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,140
that people just generally find that

879
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:44,640
they're stumped by this question they

880
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,140
don't have all

881
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:48,720
it's not really major stuff and I know

882
00:37:53,799 --> 00:37:50,910
for myself you know I have I can point

883
00:37:57,229 --> 00:37:53,809
to a few things but it's not

884
00:37:59,599 --> 00:37:57,239
life-changing stuff and even those

885
00:38:01,220 --> 00:37:59,609
things that are much smaller in nature

886
00:38:02,539 --> 00:38:01,230
you know that there's the important

887
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:02,549
beliefs you know things more and more

888
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:04,170
even moral choices that I've made that

889
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:07,529
have changed my opinion um I'm just I

890
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:09,930
can't even fathom what it would be like

891
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,609
to change your view of who you are of

892
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:16,619
your place in the world I think it

893
00:38:22,249 --> 00:38:19,890
requires great courage not money for it

894
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:22,259
finally Elizabeth if you could just I

895
00:38:25,309 --> 00:38:23,670
know you're working on several projects

896
00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:25,319
if you could just mention what they are

897
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:26,430
and where people can find more

898
00:38:33,259 --> 00:38:29,640
information yes so I have two major

899
00:38:35,989 --> 00:38:33,269
projects at the moment which are at a

900
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:35,999
stage of pre-production so we're

901
00:38:40,099 --> 00:38:38,190
actually at the moment looking for funds

902
00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:40,109
and support for the these films so

903
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:43,289
Jessica's films called memoirs of the

904
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:45,450
former mystic and she has a Facebook

905
00:38:50,809 --> 00:38:48,210
page and you can find information but I

906
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:50,819
guess maybe you can put some links I

907
00:38:55,819 --> 00:38:52,710
just wanted to say a bit about the film

908
00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:55,829
is going to be very playful because this

909
00:39:00,140 --> 00:38:57,390
is the way I think it's a good way to

910
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:00,150
get people to think it's like um I call

911
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:01,730
it a warm embrace but a slap in the face

912
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:04,710
simultaneously as well and we're skeptic

913
00:39:10,819 --> 00:39:05,910
documentaries you know they're mostly

914
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:10,829
about exposing and sometimes even making

915
00:39:14,809 --> 00:39:12,210
fun of because they're ridiculous I'm

916
00:39:17,539 --> 00:39:14,819
doing the same but I'm exposing myself

917
00:39:19,309 --> 00:39:17,549
and I'm making fun of myself because it

918
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:19,319
is very embarrassing to watch my old

919
00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:22,950
videos and and it's a it's a form of

920
00:39:27,529 --> 00:39:25,230
therapy as well it's it's a blasphemy

921
00:39:28,789 --> 00:39:27,539
that we must mock what we was once

922
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:28,799
something that we thought was so

923
00:39:32,269 --> 00:39:30,450
important destroy these are types that

924
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:32,279
we're really thinking for us rather than

925
00:39:37,789 --> 00:39:35,460
our own mind the other element of it is

926
00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:37,799
I have animation in it like I'm sure

927
00:39:43,729 --> 00:39:41,160
know how to say that and it's to show

928
00:39:45,019 --> 00:39:43,739
the mechanics of the thoughts behind the

929
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:45,029
thoughts that influence and their

930
00:39:48,739 --> 00:39:46,349
relationship with each other how they

931
00:39:51,229 --> 00:39:48,749
interact as I really want and what I

932
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:51,239
would I some this documentary apes' is

933
00:39:55,759 --> 00:39:53,970
um to study your own self-deception how

934
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:55,769
we manipulate ourselves the mechanics

935
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:58,410
how does it work why are we not able to

936
00:40:03,500 --> 00:39:59,700
see it

937
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:03,510
and it's done in the way of never ending

938
00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:04,890
story I'm not sure if you know this film

939
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,190
and I love this film and what I love is

940
00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:10,800
this idea that you think you're watching

941
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:13,230
an innocent documentary just a biography

942
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:14,970
about a girl's life but I'm actually

943
00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:17,130
talking about everybody it's very

944
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,750
interactive I'm always referring to the

945
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:21,119
audience and giving them questions I'm

946
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:22,530
challenging them along the way I'm

947
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,810
showing them my patterns and they think

948
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:26,880
it's about me but it's actually about

949
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:29,250
them and I'm setting up potholes for

950
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:30,930
them along the way I want to see how

951
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:32,520
many traps they fall into at the end

952
00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:33,960
it'll be like a little bit of a

953
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:35,540
questionnaire to see how well they did

954
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:39,510
so yeah I'm looking forward to seeing it

955
00:40:43,339 --> 00:40:41,460
and the other film I was actually

956
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:43,349
presenting also at this

957
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:46,050
skeptics European Congress is they go

958
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,089
front a nevis film called all is not

959
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:51,000
well an investigation into our gamble

960
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:53,910
the gamble with our psyche so it's all

961
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:56,790
about beliefs also and how as you just

962
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:58,650
mentioned that most of the time we don't

963
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:02,040
really know how skepticism changed our

964
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:03,480
lives because I think we don't really

965
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:06,540
apply skepticism to our own thinking and

966
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:09,420
it needs courage and responsibility and

967
00:41:14,359 --> 00:41:11,880
that's the point of the second film with

968
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:14,369
Diego which is really about questioning

969
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:16,500
being skeptical about own beliefs and

970
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:20,310
things that we think are so natural and

971
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:26,130
normal you know so I think that's a very

972
00:41:31,339 --> 00:41:28,770
major question for skeptics actually

973
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:31,349
because I think it's easy to you know

974
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:34,200
criticize what society does fake news or

975
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,210
paranormal beliefs and stuff you don't

976
00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:38,640
even believe believe in yourself it's

977
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:40,950
easy to see in the other you know what

978
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:44,550
they don't see but to see in yourself

979
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:48,210
and to have the tools the the yeah the

980
00:41:53,809 --> 00:41:50,760
skills and I think this needs training

981
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,819
actually drain training mind training to

982
00:41:59,059 --> 00:41:56,000
really be able to question your own

983
00:42:00,620 --> 00:41:59,069
fallacies and not just judging the

984
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:00,630
others fallacies and journey but

985
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:03,030
fallacies in judging yourself that's

986
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,770
another thing and I think skeptics

987
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,200
should really go this this way because

988
00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:09,119
that's the future I think of really

989
00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:10,550
changing the minds

990
00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:14,060
if I can add something I think if people

991
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:16,220
are so gullible and believe in fake news

992
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:19,330
and believe in in a new age which is

993
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:20,750
far-fetched

994
00:42:25,870 --> 00:42:23,210
you know belief about aliens and angels

995
00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:25,880
and and and and love is all and this

996
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:28,040
kind of stuff it's it's not because

997
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:29,750
they're stupid and we know then it's not

998
00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:33,040
the case it's just because they have a

999
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:35,300
conditioning and mental conditioning

1000
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:37,610
that is there and you can talk to them

1001
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:39,560
very rationally and scientifically and

1002
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:41,450
and prove to them that is not true

1003
00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:43,700
there's no foundation whatsoever about

1004
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:47,900
this they will never stop believing why

1005
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:51,110
because the first thing they have to to

1006
00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:54,350
look at is why do they believe in this

1007
00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:56,420
what's the foundation what's the what's

1008
00:43:02,290 --> 00:42:59,090
the conditioning they first in the first

1009
00:43:04,510 --> 00:43:02,300
place have that makes them so sure about

1010
00:43:07,810 --> 00:43:04,520
this you know and in the case of Jessica

1011
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:07,820
I think a New Age beliefs were very much

1012
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:10,130
anchored in Christianity beliefs

1013
00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:12,860
yeah and Christian beliefs and the

1014
00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:18,020
goodness the love and the world was your

1015
00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:21,590
family deeply Christian um we could say

1016
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:23,990
I was raised in a sort of actually a

1017
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:26,150
cult that was half Christian half Jewish

1018
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:28,460
very strange it was called the Worldwide

1019
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,190
Church of God and it had some problem

1020
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:33,440
and it went down but it was like weird

1021
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:35,210
was controlled you weren't allowed to

1022
00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:39,770
eat pork and stuff like this that or

1023
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:41,870
seafood and you could only go to you go

1024
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,310
to church on Saturday instead of Sunday

1025
00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:45,680
and so it was very weird but a lot of it

1026
00:43:50,890 --> 00:43:48,830
was a mostly Christian so it was very

1027
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:50,900
heavily influenced and so a lot of

1028
00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:52,850
spiritual New Age people easily always

1029
00:43:59,020 --> 00:43:55,100
type in you know Christian beliefs with

1030
00:43:59,650 --> 00:43:59,030
it yeah so okay yeah it's not interested

1031
00:44:03,460 --> 00:43:59,660
you know

1032
00:44:05,650 --> 00:44:03,470
yeah well all I want to say and I think

1033
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:05,660
that's actually what I want to do with

1034
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:09,830
my the film I produce is really to make

1035
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:12,860
us all question our beliefs and be aware

1036
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:14,570
that we all have beliefs and the point

1037
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:16,910
is not to get rid of beliefs because we

1038
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:19,910
can't but some of them are very harmful

1039
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:22,270
more harmful than others

1040
00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:24,430
and if we don't question them if we

1041
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:26,320
think that goodness is always it is

1042
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:29,830
always good for us for example then it

1043
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:32,050
can lead us to stupid and very harmful

1044
00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:35,160
things and preaching that lead people to

1045
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:39,270
mental hospitals you know so it's it's

1046
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:43,150
sometimes tricky but if we don't train

1047
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:46,720
our minds to this and be curious about

1048
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:49,990
what's in our mind what's what's what's

1049
00:44:53,579 --> 00:44:51,730
the foundation of our thinking are we

1050
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:53,589
thinking on our own are we really

1051
00:44:58,890 --> 00:44:55,690
thinking or are we just reproducing

1052
00:45:02,430 --> 00:44:58,900
means which which is obviously a great

1053
00:45:05,070 --> 00:45:02,440
theme here at this Congress on a

1054
00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:05,080
personal level then we won't change our

1055
00:45:10,829 --> 00:45:07,270
mind and if we are not convinced anymore

1056
00:45:12,329 --> 00:45:10,839
by the anti-vaccine thing then we will

1057
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:12,339
shift to something else because there's

1058
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:14,050
something behind that still there

1059
00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:18,430
the initial conditioning Jessica

1060
00:45:22,410 --> 00:45:20,260
Elizabeth thank you very much thank you

1061
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,420
very much what if you woke up one day to

1062
00:45:28,329 --> 00:45:24,160
find out that you were a drug dealer and

1063
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:30,549
I was a spiritual leader I have fame

1064
00:45:35,019 --> 00:45:32,630
followers support and constant

1065
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:35,029
confirmation I was invited to speak all

1066
00:45:40,359 --> 00:45:37,729
over the world about my message so what

1067
00:45:42,940 --> 00:45:40,369
led me to walk away from it on where the

1068
00:45:45,459 --> 00:45:42,950
universe we are unconditionally loved

1069
00:45:55,229 --> 00:45:45,469
and we need to wake up to our potential

1070
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:58,790
like they're under some kind of a spell

1071
00:46:16,029 --> 00:46:06,249
it was him huh that was not me that was

1072
00:46:18,609 --> 00:46:16,039
her it was really the guy finally

1073
00:46:20,589 --> 00:46:18,619
refused to admit it was me you think

1074
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:20,599
you're really helping only to find out

1075
00:46:25,809 --> 00:46:23,180
it's just the opposite so what would you

1076
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:25,819
do if you were in this position do you

1077
00:46:30,279 --> 00:46:28,190
eh forget you found this out and

1078
00:46:33,729 --> 00:46:30,289
continue on looking for ways to justify

1079
00:46:36,009 --> 00:46:33,739
that it is okay be stop doing it

1080
00:46:39,999 --> 00:46:36,019
immediately disappear and beat yourself

1081
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,009
up forever or SI face the humiliation

1082
00:46:44,049 --> 00:46:42,319
you now see it as hype creating

1083
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,059
gullibility and you decide to make

1084
00:46:48,759 --> 00:46:46,160
people aware of it so what would you

1085
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choose why has Jessica turned to the

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dark side why why is she doing this er

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what happened to her Jessica's job has

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gone and dismissed her old self she's

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confused and I do feel sorry for her she

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presents a narcissistic narrative it's

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written all over her aura and her energy

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that she will never see the penis again

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I started spreading spiritual New Age

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beliefs when I was in my teens and where

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did all this leave me alas to nothing

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but confusion escape and self

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manipulation how come it took me 15

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years to see that thank you so much for

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all your beautiful words and responses

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our life in-between lives and the

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it's the end of an old way of living

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being and thinking I know that the

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universe is abuzz with the excitement of

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what's going on here and actually out of

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the body so it thinks that the body is

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astral traveling we know our thoughts

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create reality if you have millions of

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people seeing these images what's it

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doing to our world I have a memory of a

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life as a fridge in the 70s because

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inorganic objects are also has

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consciousness in it this movement made

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up of magical thinking just be positive

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mantras and pseudoscience is spreading

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like wildfire it's everywhere now how

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many people do you know that are

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convinced by such ideas and are trying

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to convince you should we be concerned

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about what affects these beliefs have on

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our psyche yes yes we should the world

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as you know it is coming to an end the

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moon remains a radically ambiguous and

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ceaselessly flowing quantum see you've

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got the human field which is obscuring

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the reptilian field by not resisting a

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bullet it came actually in tears

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chocolate lines up planet terylene with

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the sun chocolate is an octave of sun

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energy law of attraction will not match

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you up with the part of us that is

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different than the part of you I know my

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story might seem odd to you but if you

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think about it carefully

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most ideologies we follow go along the

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same patterns of our own internal

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struggles they lead us to biases

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irrationality and self-deception whether

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we think we are susceptible to these

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things or not so watch out my story is

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full of mine traps what about yours

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone it was really great today a couple

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00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:47,890
of hours ago I met for the first time

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our reporter Mandy lien noble who was

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00:49:56,219 --> 00:49:53,919
visiting Sydney briefly and it was

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really nice to meet Mandy Lee in person

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at IKEA

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dry sort of a muffin anyway I will be

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seeing Mandy Lee of course next weekend

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here in Sydney as part of the skeptic on

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convention still tickets skeptics calm

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today you we have the skeptics own life

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00:50:20,939 --> 00:50:18,309
Stefan psycho Richardson as me Maynard

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00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:20,949
mandolin noble Heidi Robinson and Iran

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say give and I think that's around about

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2:00 or 2:15 on Saturday of the

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convention but much more to see at the

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00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:29,619
convention more details at skeptics

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00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:32,380
comdataís you and I think this is

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probably your last chance to snap up the

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dinner tickets for Saturday the 18th the

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The Skeptical dinner where we will be

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00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:42,339
announcing things like the bent spoon

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00:50:48,569 --> 00:50:46,630
award and latest news on that Maynard

1165
00:50:49,889 --> 00:50:48,579
will be your host for the evening it

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looks like it's gonna be a lot of fun

1167
00:50:55,919 --> 00:50:53,380
and next week's show is if all goes to

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00:51:00,329 --> 00:50:55,929
plan will be the live show we're

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recording at at the convention so

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hopefully if all goes well and the

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microphones work and we don't fall over

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or do something crazy next week's show

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00:51:11,269 --> 00:51:09,909
will be the live show and I hope to get

1174
00:51:14,909 --> 00:51:11,279
that out the very next day

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00:51:17,459 --> 00:51:14,919
if the skeptic zone is a bit late next

1176
00:51:20,099 --> 00:51:17,469
week please understand it's because

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we're involved in a very big convention

1178
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:22,569
but I always try to get it out weekly

1179
00:51:27,269 --> 00:51:24,609
anyway thank you to all those people who

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00:51:29,929 --> 00:51:27,279
helped support the skeptic zone through

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00:51:32,489 --> 00:51:29,939
patreon or PayPal at skeptic zone TV and

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00:51:34,979 --> 00:51:32,499
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00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,989
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00:51:39,449 --> 00:51:37,119
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00:51:41,219 --> 00:51:39,459
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00:51:44,759 --> 00:51:41,229
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00:51:51,089 --> 00:51:48,089
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